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Lowering AWD

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#1 · (Edited)
I know this is a hot topic, so lets get to work. I would like to also refer you to read this post by Fireman2118 who is very knowledgeable with suspension.

Us people with the AWD Magnums are in a tough spot. Because RWD cars are most prevalent, most of the aftermarket companies have been reluctant to develop solutions for the AWD cars.

Generally speaking, the rears of the RWD vs AWD cars are the same. It consists of the spring and shock. If you have Nivomat rear dampers, you will still need to change them out because they will hinder the ride height, keeping the rear sitting high. These are a self leveling system and are designed this way to prevent the rear from sagging when you have a load in the rear.

For the fronts, we do have a few options. Not as many as our RWD friends, but a couple.

Coilovers: Right now, KW are one of the only ones who make coilover suspension for the AWD LX platform. From what I hear from those who have them, they perform well. Prices vary, so check around. According to their website, the V1 are not available for the AWD. The V2 are, but the website says they are for the 300C AWD, and also for the V8 R/T Magnum. There's probably other configurations, just run the website and check for yourself. The MSRP is $1895.

Circuit Motorsports in Florida have developed a coilover with BCRacing for the AWD LX platform. They are about $500 less than KW, and will have 30 levels of adjustment for dampness along with ride height. There is a group buy over at LX Forums and I got in on it, so when they get done developing them, I'll be able to fully evaluate them for custommagnums.com. *UPDATE* I have them and they are awesome. My car is real low and it rides like stock. I couldn't be happier. Check it out here- http://www.custommagnums.com/forums/awd/28609-awd-coilovers.html

Lowering Springs: We also have this option. Lets start with these because they are most mentioned in the forums:

Mopar Springs: These springs will bring you down around 1". They are made by KW and branded Mopar. With these, you do not need to replace your factory dampers because they don't come down to a low enough level to really change the travel of the factory dampers. Make sure you get Item#P5153327, which is Magnum specific. I recently learned that Item#P4510854 is not the right spring. It is Charger/Challenger specific, and your Magnum rear end is heavier. With the wrong springs, you may sag in the rear, so get the Magnum specific springs.

Eibach Pro-Kit: The Eibachs can be run on the AWD. You can expect these to bring you down around 1.5" on a ballpark average. There are mixed results with these and the factory dampers. Some will say that their ride quality is pretty good with the factory dampers, and some will say it's a tad harsh. But we don't have any option for aftermarket dampers for our cars so if you use these, you are at the mercy of any degredation of ride quality.

Eibach Sportlines: These springs will bring you down an average of 2". However, these springs really do benefit from the use of a performance damper, but again, we don't have any. 2WD drivers can use the Eibach Pro-Damper's to really improve their ride quality, but we can't. Eibach does NOT make a damper for AWD. Some drivers have used the Sportlines with their stock dampers, but have also said the ride quality is greatly reduced. It may be bouncy and/or harsh and you need to avoid the potholes. The stock dampers have too much travel in them to be able to appropriately handle these springs.

Dropzone Springs: Some users have these, myself included for now untill the Circuit Motorsports are done. These are a bit bouncy. To help fix this, I purchased the Eibach Pro-Dampers and am just using the rear dampers, which has helped tremendously. The car doesn't have the "see-saw" motion you get with the springs alone. The rear is smoothed out and feels great. Keeping the rear grounded has helped out the front a bit, there's still some bounce, but the front bounce doesn't feed off the rear bounce. These are the cheapest option by far, and will work in a pinch. And I got an easy 2" drop, and have 4" of clearance between my rockers and the pavement.

TEIN STECH springs: I have no experience with these springs, if anyone can vouch for them post it.

5.7L vs 3.5L Springs: Please be advised there is a difference. The 5.7L motor is heavier. So springs for the 5.7 will take more weight, and those who put springs for a 5.7L in the 3.5 or 2.7L motor will most likely not experience the drop up front they wanted, because of the lighter motors. So when shopping for springs, get a spring set matched to your motor size.

Airbags: Yes, the AWD car will accept airbags. But also, it would benefit from a performance damper, and there are none. With the stock dampers, even with airbags, you run into the same problems with bottoming out if you are driving with a 2" drop, for example. Raise it up and the shock will be extended, thus not bottoming out. DeadDog has airbags in his AWD.

I think that's all for now. I can always amend this post later on if needed.
 
#7 ·
Cory,

If you have the money, then the Eibach springs are the better option. They are a brand name with a million mile warranty. Many users here have them and can vouch for them. I got my DZ springs to use because I knew 6 months later I was getting some coilovers and didn't want to spend a bunch in the summer.

I just want to throw that out there.

As for the rear only, maybe contact Eibach and ask. I just bought the whole kit.
 
#11 ·
Also you might want to clarify that you are referring to the KW V2's. The V1's run at around $1300 and for some reason I have read that they are not compatible with the AWD models although I am not positive on that.
True. According to their website, every configuration I run says V1's are not made for the AWD.
 
#15 ·
Thank you hordes for this write up. It clears things up a good deal for me. I have just two questions*.
Firstly, Can you get the KW's with remote adjustability? I didn't see that as being an option, but I'm also terribly stupid when it comes to finding things on auto websites.

Secondly, if the answer to the first question is yes, what would be the difference in ride/handling between airbags and coilovers?

*I'm a computer technician, and mildly automotively retarded.
 
#16 · (Edited)
Yikes, I never saw your reply. Sorry for replying a month late!

I'm not sure about the KWs with the remote adjustability. I think they do, but not sure about the LX platform.

Maybe someone with airbags can help on your second question. i do know that the airbags still use your factory dampers, and if you are too low with factory ones, you will still have the issue of them bottoming out. Some folks will get coilovers and ise them on the front. Anyone here done that? I saw it over on LX.

I'm gonna subscribe to this thread so I don't miss stuff.
 
#22 ·
Airbags to RAISE? an AWD

I am a scoutmaster and take a lot of trips to the mountains...not necessarily 4X4 trails, but definitely off paved roads.
Can I use airbags to raise my magnum to gain additional ground clearance with I go off of a paved road?
If so, assuming that the "normal" (lowest) setting on the airbags is 1" below factory height, how much additional height can I get with airbags?

Thanks,
 
#24 · (Edited)
I am a scoutmaster and take a lot of trips to the mountains...not necessarily 4X4 trails, but definitely off paved roads.
Can I use airbags to raise my magnum to gain additional ground clearance with I go off of a paved road?
If so, assuming that the "normal" (lowest) setting on the airbags is 1" below factory height, how much additional height can I get with airbags?

Thanks,
Airbags are for show, and for street. They are not intended or designed for off road use- at least I'd never run them off road. I'd hate to tear a line in the middle of the wilderness after catching it on a rock. Then one corner will be slammed and you'll be screwed. They won't get you any higher than stock suspension. 1" is not even close- try 2-2.5"

However, I don't have airbags and have never owned them, I only know what I know from research.

So the coilovers can give the same quality of ride while lowering the vehicle? how would the coilovers perform at -40C? Does it take long to adjust ride height? I wanna go to 20's and lower it 1", would a 1" drop be too low with 18" rims? (I'm gonna use the stock 18" as winter rims)
Yes, how does stock suspension or any other aftermarket or replacement suspension behave at -40? Yes, each wheel has to come off and the suspension adjusted, no.

 
#23 ·
So the coilovers can give the same quality of ride while lowering the vehicle? how would the coilovers perform at -40C? Does it take long to adjust ride height? I wanna go to 20's and lower it 1", would a 1" drop be too low with 18" rims? (I'm gonna use the stock 18" as winter rims)
 
#28 ·
I'm with Rob on this one air bags or line could be damaged in a true off road ride and now your ride with all the equipment and kids will be sitting on the ground and not moving. I ran lowering springs for a RWD when I couldn't find a set of springs for the AWD but after putting then on the front sat so low that the only suspension movement in the front was the tires side wall. I made a 1 1/2" spacer for the front and that got the front end up off the ground and I rode like that for 50,000 miles until I broken a right front spring. Now that I have the Circuit Motor Sports coil over set-up the car rides great and can raised if need be but it does involves sometime with removing the wheels and adjusting the coil overs to raise and then re-lowering the coil overs back were you want them. also raising the car will change the alignment in the front and the rear so when it is lowered back again it needs to be put back in the exact location or you will have tire wear problems. Good Luck on what ever you decide to do.