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    does rim size have anything to do with how low you can lower your vehicle? ...i have 22 inch rims and was looking to lower my car anywhere from 1-1.5 inches....i was just worried if i would have to do any type of modifications to the wheel well or so... maybe a stupid question to the seasoned veterans of lowering but ive never lowered one so im searching for help! lol..let me know
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    Quote: Originally Posted by ZackBuss11 View Post
    does rim size have anything to do with how low you can lower your vehicle? ...i have 22 inch rims and was looking to lower my car anywhere from 1-1.5 inches....i was just worried if i would have to do any type of modifications to the wheel well or so... maybe a stupid question to the seasoned veterans of lowering but ive never lowered one so im searching for help! lol..let me know

    Technically, the smaller the wheel size, the lower you can potentially go.
    However, in an attempt to keep overall diameters approximately the same as stock, tire side walls get taller as the wheels get smaller.

    With a 22" wheel and 265/35/22 tires (most common size), as long as your wheel width (8.5" - 9.5") and offset (+15 - +18) are ok. the Eibach Sportline kit will drop you 1" - 1.5" without having to worry about body modifications.



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    & 85mm throttle body - 6.1 fuel injectors - 6.1 fuel rails - 25% UDP - Jet 180 tstat - LMI 4" true CAI - MSD "Blaster" coils - 8.2mm Taylor wires - JBA headers - JBA high flow mids - Corsa catback - Diablosport Intune
    Paramount series 55, stage 1 transmission, "Dominator" 3000 stall tc & stage II valve body - Tranzformer shift kit - B&M Hi-Tek transmission cooler - 226mm Getrag 3.91 LSD - BC racing coilovers - Eibach front & rear sways
    Prothane & Whiteline bushing kit - BWoody endlinks - Razors Edge strut bar - Wilwood big brake kit by TCE - W6A 6 piston front calipers on 14.25" 2 piece GT rotors - Dynapro 4 piston rear calipers on 13" 2 piece GT rotors
    Trufiber Challenger A58 carbon fiber hood - Vossen VVS-CV3 & Nitto 420s - 22" x 9" w/265/35/22 & 22" x 10.5" w/295/30/22 - tuning by Ditos motors ---- Hemi Registry #943


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    Why is it that all the lowering kits I'm finding, lower the back more than the front? Looking at the wheel gaps on my Magnum, the front needs to come down more than the rear.....advice??
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    Quote: Originally Posted by xxdbkxx View Post
    Why is it that all the lowering kits I'm finding, lower the back more than the front? Looking at the wheel gaps on my Magnum, the front needs to come down more than the rear.....advice??
    Do you have an example of a kit that does that? Any decent, well put together system won't do that. Eibach certainly will not do that, you'll get an even drop front and rear. If you have the Nivomat rear shocks, you'll need to ditch them, because they will prevent your rear from going as low as it could with any lowering kit. And with coilovers, it's all in how you set them up.
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    Quote: Originally Posted by xxdbkxx View Post
    Why is it that all the lowering kits I'm finding, lower the back more than the front? Looking at the wheel gaps on my Magnum, the front needs to come down more than the rear.....advice??
    These kits lower the cars evenly. It appears as though the rear is lower because the wheel wells in the front are taller to provide more clearance.

    To accurately measure the drop front & rear, one must measure on a flat, level surface at the rocker panels. In front of the rear tires and behind the front tires. (see photo)





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    '05 R/T

    PPP stage 3 big valve heads - Howards cam 219/227 .600/.575 112 LSA (108 ICL) - PAC 1518 springs - forged pushrods - 6.1 lifters - 6.1 oil pump - 6.1 timing set - Modern Muscle stage 1+ ported 6.1 manifold
    & 85mm throttle body - 6.1 fuel injectors - 6.1 fuel rails - 25% UDP - Jet 180 tstat - LMI 4" true CAI - MSD "Blaster" coils - 8.2mm Taylor wires - JBA headers - JBA high flow mids - Corsa catback - Diablosport Intune
    Paramount series 55, stage 1 transmission, "Dominator" 3000 stall tc & stage II valve body - Tranzformer shift kit - B&M Hi-Tek transmission cooler - 226mm Getrag 3.91 LSD - BC racing coilovers - Eibach front & rear sways
    Prothane & Whiteline bushing kit - BWoody endlinks - Razors Edge strut bar - Wilwood big brake kit by TCE - W6A 6 piston front calipers on 14.25" 2 piece GT rotors - Dynapro 4 piston rear calipers on 13" 2 piece GT rotors
    Trufiber Challenger A58 carbon fiber hood - Vossen VVS-CV3 & Nitto 420s - 22" x 9" w/265/35/22 & 22" x 10.5" w/295/30/22 - tuning by Ditos motors ---- Hemi Registry #943


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    I have sportlines now waiting for my Koni dampers. Im on 20x9's with a +15 offset. Tires in the back are 255/45 20 fronts are 245/40 20. Will eventually go into a 245/45 20 up front. Will I need to buy CA's or camber kits? I do not plan on going bigger in wheel size.

    Thanks in advance fellas!
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    Typically, with the Sportlines, the resulting negative camber can be quite a bit out of spec. Negative camber is not all bad. It can improve vehicle handling. In extreme cases, it can speed tire wear.
    I'm not a suspension expert but from what I understand, as the negative camber increases, the toe settings also change. It's the toe settings that have a more serious effect on tire wear.
    Because of the lack of adjustment on the rear suspension, the only way to bring the toe back to spec is to reduce the negative camber also.
    You need to have the alignment checked. If out of spec, the camber bushings (rear) and/or adjustable control arms (front) are recommended.



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    '05 R/T

    PPP stage 3 big valve heads - Howards cam 219/227 .600/.575 112 LSA (108 ICL) - PAC 1518 springs - forged pushrods - 6.1 lifters - 6.1 oil pump - 6.1 timing set - Modern Muscle stage 1+ ported 6.1 manifold
    & 85mm throttle body - 6.1 fuel injectors - 6.1 fuel rails - 25% UDP - Jet 180 tstat - LMI 4" true CAI - MSD "Blaster" coils - 8.2mm Taylor wires - JBA headers - JBA high flow mids - Corsa catback - Diablosport Intune
    Paramount series 55, stage 1 transmission, "Dominator" 3000 stall tc & stage II valve body - Tranzformer shift kit - B&M Hi-Tek transmission cooler - 226mm Getrag 3.91 LSD - BC racing coilovers - Eibach front & rear sways
    Prothane & Whiteline bushing kit - BWoody endlinks - Razors Edge strut bar - Wilwood big brake kit by TCE - W6A 6 piston front calipers on 14.25" 2 piece GT rotors - Dynapro 4 piston rear calipers on 13" 2 piece GT rotors
    Trufiber Challenger A58 carbon fiber hood - Vossen VVS-CV3 & Nitto 420s - 22" x 9" w/265/35/22 & 22" x 10.5" w/295/30/22 - tuning by Ditos motors ---- Hemi Registry #943


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    help please

    I'm new here and could use some help. My mag has a 2" drop and Ive been riding on 20's. I have the Eibach camber kit with their front control arms and rear bushings. I tried puting a set of 22's on tonight and they seemed to be hitting a bolt coming down from above. my buddy says I need a kit that flips that bolt assembly around. does that sound right? if so where would I get that?
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    Quote: Originally Posted by stawsk View Post
    I'm new here and could use some help. My mag has a 2" drop and Ive been riding on 20's. I have the Eibach camber kit with their front control arms and rear bushings. I tried puting a set of 22's on tonight and they seemed to be hitting a bolt coming down from above. my buddy says I need a kit that flips that bolt assembly around. does that sound right? if so where would I get that?

    What size are your tires? I use 265/35/22 on mine and still have almost 1/4" of clearance. I also use the stock upper control arms.

    The clearance may be less with the Eibach adjustable front upper control arms.

    Do you have a picture of it?

    I've never heard of a kit that flips the assembly.




    '05 R/T

    PPP stage 3 big valve heads - Howards cam 219/227 .600/.575 112 LSA (108 ICL) - PAC 1518 springs - forged pushrods - 6.1 lifters - 6.1 oil pump - 6.1 timing set - Modern Muscle stage 1+ ported 6.1 manifold
    & 85mm throttle body - 6.1 fuel injectors - 6.1 fuel rails - 25% UDP - Jet 180 tstat - LMI 4" true CAI - MSD "Blaster" coils - 8.2mm Taylor wires - JBA headers - JBA high flow mids - Corsa catback - Diablosport Intune
    Paramount series 55, stage 1 transmission, "Dominator" 3000 stall tc & stage II valve body - Tranzformer shift kit - B&M Hi-Tek transmission cooler - 226mm Getrag 3.91 LSD - BC racing coilovers - Eibach front & rear sways
    Prothane & Whiteline bushing kit - BWoody endlinks - Razors Edge strut bar - Wilwood big brake kit by TCE - W6A 6 piston front calipers on 14.25" 2 piece GT rotors - Dynapro 4 piston rear calipers on 13" 2 piece GT rotors
    Trufiber Challenger A58 carbon fiber hood - Vossen VVS-CV3 & Nitto 420s - 22" x 9" w/265/35/22 & 22" x 10.5" w/295/30/22 - tuning by Ditos motors ---- Hemi Registry #943


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    The wheels are back at my buddys house, I'm tryin to find out the tire size. I'm pretty sure they were 35 series. I should have taken a pic. didnt even think of it. my buddy's a mechanic at dodge, he's the one who told me about the flip kit. says he's seen it a couple times on mags and 300's with 24s and drops. totally bummed really wanted them on last night.
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    They are 265/35/22. i dont know what else to do or where to look.
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    Post a picture of the control arm....Specifically, the ball joint and the bolt.

    You may be able to grind that bolt back enough to give you the clearance you need.




    '05 R/T

    PPP stage 3 big valve heads - Howards cam 219/227 .600/.575 112 LSA (108 ICL) - PAC 1518 springs - forged pushrods - 6.1 lifters - 6.1 oil pump - 6.1 timing set - Modern Muscle stage 1+ ported 6.1 manifold
    & 85mm throttle body - 6.1 fuel injectors - 6.1 fuel rails - 25% UDP - Jet 180 tstat - LMI 4" true CAI - MSD "Blaster" coils - 8.2mm Taylor wires - JBA headers - JBA high flow mids - Corsa catback - Diablosport Intune
    Paramount series 55, stage 1 transmission, "Dominator" 3000 stall tc & stage II valve body - Tranzformer shift kit - B&M Hi-Tek transmission cooler - 226mm Getrag 3.91 LSD - BC racing coilovers - Eibach front & rear sways
    Prothane & Whiteline bushing kit - BWoody endlinks - Razors Edge strut bar - Wilwood big brake kit by TCE - W6A 6 piston front calipers on 14.25" 2 piece GT rotors - Dynapro 4 piston rear calipers on 13" 2 piece GT rotors
    Trufiber Challenger A58 carbon fiber hood - Vossen VVS-CV3 & Nitto 420s - 22" x 9" w/265/35/22 & 22" x 10.5" w/295/30/22 - tuning by Ditos motors ---- Hemi Registry #943


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    finally got them on today. took the guy all day but it looks incredible! all cause of my Eibach control arms that came with their camber/ caster kit. just changed things around enough to raise hell. luckly the custom hot rod shop my shop deals with somtimes took care of me. I know he did it right, I wouldn't trust just anyone. I'll post some pics as soon as I have a chance. thanks for tryin to help. i really do appreciate it.
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    so who has a slammed magnum if you do. do you axles wear out more than they should be
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    Quote: Originally Posted by whatda View Post
    so who has a slammed magnum if you do. do you axles wear out more than they should be
    My Magnum, (pictured above) is about as low as you can go while driving. Axles are fine. You may get some accelerated wear in the front tie rods. Other than that, no real problems to speak of.




    '05 R/T

    PPP stage 3 big valve heads - Howards cam 219/227 .600/.575 112 LSA (108 ICL) - PAC 1518 springs - forged pushrods - 6.1 lifters - 6.1 oil pump - 6.1 timing set - Modern Muscle stage 1+ ported 6.1 manifold
    & 85mm throttle body - 6.1 fuel injectors - 6.1 fuel rails - 25% UDP - Jet 180 tstat - LMI 4" true CAI - MSD "Blaster" coils - 8.2mm Taylor wires - JBA headers - JBA high flow mids - Corsa catback - Diablosport Intune
    Paramount series 55, stage 1 transmission, "Dominator" 3000 stall tc & stage II valve body - Tranzformer shift kit - B&M Hi-Tek transmission cooler - 226mm Getrag 3.91 LSD - BC racing coilovers - Eibach front & rear sways
    Prothane & Whiteline bushing kit - BWoody endlinks - Razors Edge strut bar - Wilwood big brake kit by TCE - W6A 6 piston front calipers on 14.25" 2 piece GT rotors - Dynapro 4 piston rear calipers on 13" 2 piece GT rotors
    Trufiber Challenger A58 carbon fiber hood - Vossen VVS-CV3 & Nitto 420s - 22" x 9" w/265/35/22 & 22" x 10.5" w/295/30/22 - tuning by Ditos motors ---- Hemi Registry #943


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