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Just my freakin luck!!!!
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Lol, wait for me!!!!!
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If it were me and I pulled you over you would have a ticket for the tails! Most likely it would be a fix it ticket but if you give me attitude then I look for things! consider yourself lucky and next time you see the cop that stopped you be nice and thank him! or Man up and say everything you posted to his face! or are you only bad when you can hide behind the keyboard?
And for the record RobsSXT & bpf1500 could not agree with you more!
And for the record RobsSXT & bpf1500 could not agree with you more!
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IN tint law is 30% net on all windows except fof the windshield on passenger cars.
and uscbigdawg in CA its any on rear and 70 vlt on the front rollups not 30 or 35 but most cops dont care in ca cause of the sun and they know most people do it to keep the temp down.
and uscbigdawg in CA its any on rear and 70 vlt on the front rollups not 30 or 35 but most cops dont care in ca cause of the sun and they know most people do it to keep the temp down.
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Assuming this thread can actually be brought back on topic, I see no reason to close it. I can understand your passion for cops being shown disrespect, but if you look at the OP, this thread WAS about magnum stuff, and youve spent the last 2 pages of it trying to convince everyone that its about cops, not about the OP's tint law questions. He may have come off wrong about his wording of the cops, but still......
you want to talk about magnum stuff, noones in your way but you. :haha:
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Alright then, I'll do the homework for the OP.
IC 9-19-6-4
Tail lamps
Sec. 4. (a) Except as otherwise provided in this section:
(1) a motor vehicle, trailer, semitrailer, and pole trailer; and
(2) any other vehicle that is drawn at the end of a train of vehicles;
must be equipped with at least one (1) tail lamp mounted on the rear that when lighted as required in this chapter, emits a red light plainly visible from a distance of five hundred (500) feet to the rear.
(b) Only the tail lamp on the rear-most vehicle of a train of vehicles is required to be seen from the distance specified.
(c) A motor vehicle, trailer, semitrailer, pole trailer, and any other vehicle drawn at the end of a train of vehicles, excluding a truck-tractor, that is:
(1) registered in Indiana; and
(2) manufactured or assembled after January 1, 1956;
must be equipped with at least two (2) tail lamps mounted on the rear that, when lighted, complies with this section.
(d) A tail lamp upon a vehicle shall be located at a height of not less than twenty (20) inches and not more than seventy-two (72) inches.
(e) Either a tail lamp or a separate lamp must be placed and constructed so as to illuminate the rear registration plate with a white light and make the plate clearly legible from a distance of fifty (50) feet to the rear. A tail lamp or tail lamps, together with a separate lamp for illuminating the rear registration plate, must be wired so as to be lighted whenever the head lamps or auxiliary driving lamps are lighted.
As added by P.L.2-1991, SEC.7.
IC 9-19-6-17
Stop lamps and turn signals; color, visibility, and operation
Sec. 17. (a) A motor vehicle may be equipped, and when required under this chapter must be equipped, with a stop lamp or lamps on the rear of the vehicle that:
(1) displays a red or an amber light, or any shade of color between red and amber, visible from a distance of not less than one hundred (100) feet to the rear in normal sunlight;
(2) will be actuated upon application of the service (foot) brake; and
(3) may be incorporated with at least one (1) other rear lamp.
(b) A motor vehicle may be equipped and when required under this chapter must be equipped with lamps or mechanical signal devices showing to the front and rear for the purpose of indicating an intention to turn either to the right or left. If lamps are used for this purpose, the lamps showing to the front must be located on the same level and as widely spaced laterally as practicable and when in use must display a white or an amber light, or any shade of color between white and amber, visible from a distance of not less than one hundred (100) feet to the front in normal sunlight. The lamps showing to the rear must be located at the same level and as widely spaced laterally as practicable and when in use must display a red or an amber light, or any shade of color between red and amber, visible from a distance of not less than one hundred (100) feet to the rear in normal sunlight. When actuated the lamps must indicate the intended direction of turning by flashing the lights showing to the front and rear on the side toward which the turn is made. If mechanical signal devices are used for this purpose, the devices must be self-illuminated when in use at the times required by IC 9-21-7-2.
(c) A stop lamp or signal lamp or device may not project a glaring light.
As added by P.L.2-1991, SEC.7. Amended by P.L.1-1991, SEC.93.
IC 9-19-19-4
Tinting, glazing, or sunscreening vehicle windows
Sec. 4. (a) This section does not apply to a manufacturer's tinting or glazing of motor vehicle windows or windshields that is otherwise in compliance with or permitted by FMVSS205 as promulgated in 49 CFR 571.205. Proof from the manufacturer, supplier, or installer that the tinting or glazing is in compliance with or permitted by FMVSS205 must be carried in the vehicle.
(b) This section does not apply to the driver of a vehicle:
(1) that is owned by an individual required for medical reasons to be shielded from the direct rays of the sun; or
(2) in which an individual required for medical reasons to be shielded from the direct rays of the sun is a habitual passenger.
The medical reasons must be attested to by a physician or optometrist licensed to practice in Indiana, and the physician's or optometrist's certification of that condition must be carried in the vehicle. The physician's or optometrist's certificate must be renewed annually.
(c) A person may not drive a motor vehicle that has a:
(1) windshield;
(2) side wing;
(3) side window that is part of a front door; or
(4) rear back window;
that is covered by or treated with sunscreening material or is tinted to the extent or manufactured in a way that the occupants of the vehicle cannot be easily identified or recognized through that window from outside the vehicle. However, it is a defense if the sunscreening material applied to those windows has a total solar reflectance of visible light of not more than twenty-five percent (25%) as measured on the nonfilm side and light transmittance of at least thirty percent (30%) in the visible light range.
(d) A person may not tint or otherwise cover or treat with sunscreening the parts of a vehicle described in subsection (c) so that operation of the vehicle after the tinting or sunscreening is performed is a violation of subsection (c). However, it is not a violation of this chapter if this work is performed for a person who submits a physician's or optometrist's statement as described in subsection (b) to the person who is to perform the work.
As added by P.L.2-1991, SEC.7. Amended by P.L.128-1995, SEC.1; P.L.12-2003, SEC.1.
Now go down to your local donut shop and find a cop on break. In between donut bites, demand he come outside and measure your tint, because after all, we pay his salary. Look at the reading and compare it to the law I researched for you and posted for your convenience. That should answer your legal questions.
IC 9-19-6-4
Tail lamps
Sec. 4. (a) Except as otherwise provided in this section:
(1) a motor vehicle, trailer, semitrailer, and pole trailer; and
(2) any other vehicle that is drawn at the end of a train of vehicles;
must be equipped with at least one (1) tail lamp mounted on the rear that when lighted as required in this chapter, emits a red light plainly visible from a distance of five hundred (500) feet to the rear.
(b) Only the tail lamp on the rear-most vehicle of a train of vehicles is required to be seen from the distance specified.
(c) A motor vehicle, trailer, semitrailer, pole trailer, and any other vehicle drawn at the end of a train of vehicles, excluding a truck-tractor, that is:
(1) registered in Indiana; and
(2) manufactured or assembled after January 1, 1956;
must be equipped with at least two (2) tail lamps mounted on the rear that, when lighted, complies with this section.
(d) A tail lamp upon a vehicle shall be located at a height of not less than twenty (20) inches and not more than seventy-two (72) inches.
(e) Either a tail lamp or a separate lamp must be placed and constructed so as to illuminate the rear registration plate with a white light and make the plate clearly legible from a distance of fifty (50) feet to the rear. A tail lamp or tail lamps, together with a separate lamp for illuminating the rear registration plate, must be wired so as to be lighted whenever the head lamps or auxiliary driving lamps are lighted.
As added by P.L.2-1991, SEC.7.
IC 9-19-6-17
Stop lamps and turn signals; color, visibility, and operation
Sec. 17. (a) A motor vehicle may be equipped, and when required under this chapter must be equipped, with a stop lamp or lamps on the rear of the vehicle that:
(1) displays a red or an amber light, or any shade of color between red and amber, visible from a distance of not less than one hundred (100) feet to the rear in normal sunlight;
(2) will be actuated upon application of the service (foot) brake; and
(3) may be incorporated with at least one (1) other rear lamp.
(b) A motor vehicle may be equipped and when required under this chapter must be equipped with lamps or mechanical signal devices showing to the front and rear for the purpose of indicating an intention to turn either to the right or left. If lamps are used for this purpose, the lamps showing to the front must be located on the same level and as widely spaced laterally as practicable and when in use must display a white or an amber light, or any shade of color between white and amber, visible from a distance of not less than one hundred (100) feet to the front in normal sunlight. The lamps showing to the rear must be located at the same level and as widely spaced laterally as practicable and when in use must display a red or an amber light, or any shade of color between red and amber, visible from a distance of not less than one hundred (100) feet to the rear in normal sunlight. When actuated the lamps must indicate the intended direction of turning by flashing the lights showing to the front and rear on the side toward which the turn is made. If mechanical signal devices are used for this purpose, the devices must be self-illuminated when in use at the times required by IC 9-21-7-2.
(c) A stop lamp or signal lamp or device may not project a glaring light.
As added by P.L.2-1991, SEC.7. Amended by P.L.1-1991, SEC.93.
IC 9-19-19-4
Tinting, glazing, or sunscreening vehicle windows
Sec. 4. (a) This section does not apply to a manufacturer's tinting or glazing of motor vehicle windows or windshields that is otherwise in compliance with or permitted by FMVSS205 as promulgated in 49 CFR 571.205. Proof from the manufacturer, supplier, or installer that the tinting or glazing is in compliance with or permitted by FMVSS205 must be carried in the vehicle.
(b) This section does not apply to the driver of a vehicle:
(1) that is owned by an individual required for medical reasons to be shielded from the direct rays of the sun; or
(2) in which an individual required for medical reasons to be shielded from the direct rays of the sun is a habitual passenger.
The medical reasons must be attested to by a physician or optometrist licensed to practice in Indiana, and the physician's or optometrist's certification of that condition must be carried in the vehicle. The physician's or optometrist's certificate must be renewed annually.
(c) A person may not drive a motor vehicle that has a:
(1) windshield;
(2) side wing;
(3) side window that is part of a front door; or
(4) rear back window;
that is covered by or treated with sunscreening material or is tinted to the extent or manufactured in a way that the occupants of the vehicle cannot be easily identified or recognized through that window from outside the vehicle. However, it is a defense if the sunscreening material applied to those windows has a total solar reflectance of visible light of not more than twenty-five percent (25%) as measured on the nonfilm side and light transmittance of at least thirty percent (30%) in the visible light range.
(d) A person may not tint or otherwise cover or treat with sunscreening the parts of a vehicle described in subsection (c) so that operation of the vehicle after the tinting or sunscreening is performed is a violation of subsection (c). However, it is not a violation of this chapter if this work is performed for a person who submits a physician's or optometrist's statement as described in subsection (b) to the person who is to perform the work.
As added by P.L.2-1991, SEC.7. Amended by P.L.128-1995, SEC.1; P.L.12-2003, SEC.1.
Now go down to your local donut shop and find a cop on break. In between donut bites, demand he come outside and measure your tint, because after all, we pay his salary. Look at the reading and compare it to the law I researched for you and posted for your convenience. That should answer your legal questions.
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Fine, then I won't participate in cop bashing threads anymore or help educate people. I'll just choose to not read them. In fact, forget about what I do for a living, it's not important here anyways. Whats important is that I have a low mileage 05 SXT and I enjoy driving it, and it's been in my family since new. :sad6: for voicing opinion. I tend to get riled up easily. I'll stick to technical threads.
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I actually like the fact that you try to educate people.
I appreciate what you do for a living.
I am also glad you voiced your opinion and I back you up on that opinion 100%.
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I like reading what you have to say....being that I want to be a LEO once am done with football and school I have the highest respect for you and what you do..I know what you risk on a daily basis even if some people take it forgranted ..I know why you could get upset at reading this as does my dad who is LEO I can understand were the frustration comes from ....but people need to be informed even if there thickheaded.....any how you have a sick Mag :beerchug:
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Wow, phoenix, just wow. After the direction this thread has turned and reading through the argument, you go and say something like that.... even if it is your opinion, that's fine. Even if it's true (sometimes it probably is) to come into this thread after what's just gone down and to post that is just... lame.
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My personal feeling is that I hope that you don't limit yourself here on the forum.
I too appreciate all that you do here. Especially in this capacity.
I am behind you 1000% when it comes to the clarification of these types of attitudes about law enforcement.
Don't get too discouraged by all of this Rob.
For all of those who don't get it, enough of us on this forum do get it.
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head and tail lights must be DOT approved... which means any alterations you make makes them not legal for street use... hell you can go buy a set of cheap tails from ebay that are red if they arent DOT approved guess what yup not street legal!
tinted windows that's a given driver and passenger side is pretty much off limits back windows can be pitch black as long as you have two side mirrors... factory windows arent tint they are smoked glass and its 100% legal you will notice the two front widows arent smoked... thats becouse those laws are differnt from state to state...
as for cops they're just like anyone else some are fogiven and some arent.. if they let you off shut your hole your bank account will thank you! last speeding ticket i got let me tell you i wasnt gona argue one bit they could have had my car towed or could have just went to town tinted tails, tinted windows, air suspension, intake not carb legal, speeding, no front plate, the list goes on....
my advise lighten up the tint on your tails and make sure they shine it gives the apperence of stock yours seem to be a bit flat or hazy which is a dead give away
tinted windows that's a given driver and passenger side is pretty much off limits back windows can be pitch black as long as you have two side mirrors... factory windows arent tint they are smoked glass and its 100% legal you will notice the two front widows arent smoked... thats becouse those laws are differnt from state to state...
as for cops they're just like anyone else some are fogiven and some arent.. if they let you off shut your hole your bank account will thank you! last speeding ticket i got let me tell you i wasnt gona argue one bit they could have had my car towed or could have just went to town tinted tails, tinted windows, air suspension, intake not carb legal, speeding, no front plate, the list goes on....
my advise lighten up the tint on your tails and make sure they shine it gives the apperence of stock yours seem to be a bit flat or hazy which is a dead give away
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I can't speak to Indiana law, but in California, anything applied to the headlights, taillights, windshield (except for a thin band at the top) or front windows is illegal... period.
Some officers enforce the regulations more strickly than others, but I can say with absolute authority, coppin' an attitude will definitely result in the letter of the law being enforced.
If you're stopped and receive a warning, take it for what it is... a warning, not harrassment.
Just a thought from your friendly neighborhood gumshoe.
Some officers enforce the regulations more strickly than others, but I can say with absolute authority, coppin' an attitude will definitely result in the letter of the law being enforced.
If you're stopped and receive a warning, take it for what it is... a warning, not harrassment.
Just a thought from your friendly neighborhood gumshoe.
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OK CM Fam,
I apologize if my comment about the officer being a “simplesimon” offended any officer on this website or any other member. My comment was in frustration for how the officer handled the situation, I’m not a bad @ss behind the keyboard nor in person, I’m not some little teeny bopper who is upset set about being pulled over. During the interaction I didn’t get an attitude with the officer at any point, while he did get one with me from the moment he walked up to the window. Which when he got to the window I had my window down, license and registration ready, and he began yelling and using profanity which was unwarranted. He begin to flash he and his partners flashlights in the car (Standard Operating, I know this), and I offered to turn on the interior lights so he could see in the car and he again started cussing. When he came back to the window and made the comment about the tint and asked me if I thought it was too dark, that is when I explained the tint was factory. He then begin to use profanity and racial slurs to describe me and my wife and us driving a “black” car. At this point I asked for his name and badge number and he said “F U” and told me that he “better not see me, my wife, my black car and our “n*GGa @ss” in Speedway ever again. So my frustration came out on this website, and for that I apologize. Had he not made those comments and treated us the way he did this wouldn’t have been an issue.
I come from a Military family and was on my way to the Indiana Police Academy till my wife and I found out she was pregnant and asked me to choose a different career. So Trust me when I say I respect any person who wears the badge and bleeds blue. I do thank you RobsSXT for your research on the Letter of the Law. I have since asked my neighbor who is a Indiana State Trooper to look at my lights and tint and he said they are fine. As long as my lights are visible from over 300ft away and I have a functional third brake light (which isn’t altered by the way) I’m good. We took it to a tint store and ran the test and it allows more than 30% of light through which this legal limit in Indiana. I’m still getting an LED bar, so I don’t have this “problem” again.
Thank you
I apologize if my comment about the officer being a “simplesimon” offended any officer on this website or any other member. My comment was in frustration for how the officer handled the situation, I’m not a bad @ss behind the keyboard nor in person, I’m not some little teeny bopper who is upset set about being pulled over. During the interaction I didn’t get an attitude with the officer at any point, while he did get one with me from the moment he walked up to the window. Which when he got to the window I had my window down, license and registration ready, and he began yelling and using profanity which was unwarranted. He begin to flash he and his partners flashlights in the car (Standard Operating, I know this), and I offered to turn on the interior lights so he could see in the car and he again started cussing. When he came back to the window and made the comment about the tint and asked me if I thought it was too dark, that is when I explained the tint was factory. He then begin to use profanity and racial slurs to describe me and my wife and us driving a “black” car. At this point I asked for his name and badge number and he said “F U” and told me that he “better not see me, my wife, my black car and our “n*GGa @ss” in Speedway ever again. So my frustration came out on this website, and for that I apologize. Had he not made those comments and treated us the way he did this wouldn’t have been an issue.
I come from a Military family and was on my way to the Indiana Police Academy till my wife and I found out she was pregnant and asked me to choose a different career. So Trust me when I say I respect any person who wears the badge and bleeds blue. I do thank you RobsSXT for your research on the Letter of the Law. I have since asked my neighbor who is a Indiana State Trooper to look at my lights and tint and he said they are fine. As long as my lights are visible from over 300ft away and I have a functional third brake light (which isn’t altered by the way) I’m good. We took it to a tint store and ran the test and it allows more than 30% of light through which this legal limit in Indiana. I’m still getting an LED bar, so I don’t have this “problem” again.
Thank you
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Wow ...........that DEF DOES TURN EVERYTHING AROUND...Are you going to file a report??
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