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I have a couple of questions I was hoping a few kind members could answer for me. I am interested in lowering my mag but I have heard a lot of things about it and was hoping someone could give me the straight scoop.

Question #1 - What is involved and approximately how much will it cost me to do it right?

Question #2 - This is my one and only car so I drive it every day. Does lowering it greatly effect the ride? I have been told that lowering it even a couple inches results in a very rough ride. True or false?

Any help setting me straight about this would be appreciated.
 

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If done correctly the ride will be a little firmer but not bad or bouncy, lots of people will chime in, Fireman will prob have the most insite on lowering, his car is BAD A$$, looks reallly sweet.
 

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You can lower it with springs only, adjustable coilovers, or airbags. Air would be the most versitile in the fact that you can adjust the ride height if you want to drive over something. Coilovers can be adjusted exactly where you want them but they cant be adjusted easy on the fly. Just springs; eibach prokit, or sportline. prokit is about an inch of lower with a lot better ride than stock and the sportline is about 2" with a great ride as well. With the spring replacements like the eibach you should replace the shocks and struts as your stock ones will wear out quick and get "bouncy". For an everyday driver if you dont want to spend on bags I would say the prokit springs from eibach. Lotta information here and pics as well...I have the sportlines on my car (pictures in my albums).
 

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If you can afford it, go bags. If you want a nice subtle drop without losing ride quality, the Eibach Pro-Kit is a great options.
 

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First, you need to break down what you really want. Everything you want or get comes with trade offs.
The lower you go, the ride will usually get firmer. As you stiffen your suspension (eliminate the bounce), you reduce your vertical travel. Once you decide on what you want, then you need to figure out how you're going to get there.
What kind of money do you want to spend? Do you have a need or a desire to adjust the height of your vehicle? Do you want a car that handles as good as it looks or are you wanting "the lowered look with a comfy ride?"

So lets go with your options:

Money is not really an issue, you might consider air bags. The ride quality is good from what I understand and you have the option of "slamming" your car to the ground. At around $3000.00 + or -, it's an expensive option that has it's usefulness if you are into showing your car. A vehicle with air bags can have it's height easily adjusted, "on the fly" if you will, from switches mounted inside the vehicle. Air bags can be more easily damaged than other suspension options. It's best to talk to those that have them to understand the pros and cons of air bag systems.

Then there are Coilovers. Coilovers are a very good choice IMO because you can Adjust the height of your car, adjust the damping of the shocks (firmness) and have very good handling. Adjustments to Coilovers must take place outside the vehicle, often requiring that the weight be taken off the suspension and/or removing the wheels prior to adjustments being made.. Having these options makes Coilovers ideal for track as well as street use. At $1000.00 - $1400.00, they're also expensive.

If you want a lowered look with anywhere from stock to performance type handling, then there are Spring/Damper combinations by many different manufacturers that are available. The most common, just to give you an example would be 2 springs made by Eibach. Pro-kit springs and Sportline-kit springs. The pro springs have a 1" -1.5" drop and a moderate spring rate. Not a lot firmer than stock. The Sportline-kit springs have a 2" drop and a much firmer spring rate. Both of these spring kits would benefit from Eibach pro-dampers. The pro dampers are a performance shock made for use with lowering springs, in particular Eibach springs. (they can be used with any springs) With a moderate drop, say 1"-1.5", you might get away with your stock shocks saving you money and leaving your ride more like a stock ride. Keep in mind that with a higher spring rate, if you keep stock shocks, things may be bouncy. It all depends on your tolerance and again, what you're looking for. Anything lower than pro-springs, (like sportlines 2" drop) almost require pro dampers because the ride would be too rough and way too bouncy. Expect to pay around $230.00 + for springs and $400.00 + for dampers. There are package deals, so shop around.

***FYI - The LX platform has an independent rear suspension. There is no adjustment for camber. (front or rear) The lower you go, the more negative the camber becomes. (wheels tilt in at the top) Some negative camber makes for better handling. Excessive negative camber can increase tire wear. This can be corrected by installing bushings in the rear and/or new control arms in the front.

"Strut bar", "Strut brace" and "Strut tower brace" refer to the same kind of device, a bar mounted between the front strut towers. The purpose of this bar is to reduce the flex that these towers experience during hard cornering. Reducing the flex will keep the wheels in the desired position on the road, allowing the suspension to work as engineered without chassis flex changing camber and caster settings. This will help to improve traction on the turns, increasing turn-in response, and help to reduce understeer.
By solidifying and isolating the struts in their original configuration, it allows the suspension components (stock or modified) to retain their geometry and to function as designed. Typically, steering will seem quicker and more responsive, but in reality, it is the suspension doing its job properly. These devices typically cost around $300.00


Sway bars are a torsion spring that resists body roll motions. Anti-roll bars (sway bars) provide two main functions. The first function is the reduction of body lean (roll). The other function of anti-roll bars is to tune the handling balance of a car. Sway bars are one of the more noticable upgrades that can be made to a car. Expect to pay from $250.00 - $350.00 for a front and rear sway bar set.

Well that's it for starters.Those are some of the basics. If you have questions, I'm sure that anyone on these forums or myself would be glad to help
 

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First, you need to break down what you really want. Everything you want or get comes with trade offs.
The lower you go, the ride will usually get firmer. You need to stiffen your suspension (eliminate the bounce), as you reduce your verticle travel. Once you decide on what you want, then you need to figure out how your going to get there.
What kind of money do you want to spend? Do you have a need or a desire to adjust the height of your vehicle? Do you want a car the handles as good as it looks or are you wanting "the lowered look with a comfy ride?

So lets go with your options:

Money is not really an issue, you might consider air bags. The ride quality is good from what I understand and you have the option of "slamming" your car to the ground. At around $3000.00 + or -, it's an expensive option that has it's usefulness if you are into showing your car. IMO - you can't drive with your car "slammed" on the ground so what's the point?

Then there are Coilovers. Coilovers are a very good option IMO because you can Adjust the height of your car, adjust the dampening of the shocks (firmness) and have very good handling. At $1200.00 - $1400.00, they're also expensive.

If you want a lowered look with anywhere from stock to performance type handling, then there are Spring/Damper combinations by many different manufacturers that are available. The most common, just to give you an example would be 2 springs made by Eibach. Pro-kit springs and Sportline-kit springs. The pro springs have a 1" -1.5" drop and a moderate spring rate. Not a lot firmer than stock. The Sportline-kit springs have a 2" drop and a much firmer spring rate. Both of these spring kits would benefit from Eibach pro-dampers. The pro dampers are a performance shock made for use with lowering springs, in particular Eibach springs. (they can be used with any springs) With a moderate drop, say 1"-1.5", you might get away with your stock shocks saving you money and leaving your ride more like a stock ride. Keep in mind that with a higher spring rate, if you keep stock shocks, things may be bouncy. It all depends on your tolerance and again, what your looking for. Anything lower than pro-springs, (like sportlines 2" drop) almost require pro dampers because the ride would be too rough and way too bouncy. Expect to pay around $230.00 + for springs and $400.00 + for dampers. There are package deals, so shop around.

Well that's it for starters. If you have questions, I'm sure that anyone on these forums or myself would be glad to help.

Fireman 2118 that was well said my friend !!!!
 

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wow, Fireman def nailed it on the head!
 

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Thanks to ALL OF YOU, I've learned a lot over the last year or so. Thank you for the kind words everyone!
 

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Ok, so I am in the same boat as far as wanting to lower the Mag.

I was certainly interested in the bags but had one question. Fireman, you said you can't drive slammed (obviously) but I thought you were able to set a couple different ride heights with a bag kit? For example: 1. Stock ride height 2. Mid-level ride height 3. Slammed. Is that true or not true (excuse the ignorance)?

My next question is, does anybody know of any good suspension shops in Toronto, Canada? Figured I should ask here before I start looking around.
 

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Ok, so I am in the same boat as far as wanting to lower the Mag.

I was certainly interested in the bags but had one question. Fireman, you said you can't drive slammed (obviously) but I thought you were able to set a couple different ride heights with a bag kit? For example: 1. Stock ride height 2. Mid-level ride height 3. Slammed. Is that true or not true (excuse the ignorance)?

My next question is, does anybody know of any good suspension shops in Toronto, Canada? Figured I should ask here before I start looking around.
Obviously, I don't have air bags. From what I've seen though, none actually ride (in motion) much, if any lower than my Sportline set up. You would have the ability to raise up say to get into steep driveways however.
 

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Hmm...can anybody with bags chime in on this?
 
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Hmm...can anybody with bags chime in on this?
There are other threads that may get you information that you're looking for. Or you can wait here.....Lol....It's all good!
 

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